Sunday, January 24, 2010

Out Spotlight CVXXI

Today's Out Spotlight is actor, performer, activist, vegetarian, radical leftist and trained botanist, Will Geer. You may know him best as Grandpa Walton.

Will Geer was born William Auge Ghere on March 9, 1902, in Frankfort, Indiana, where he was deeply influenced by his grandfather, who was said to say hello to trees by their Latin names and who taught the young Will the botanical names of the plants in his native state. His grandfather's love of nature passed on to Will who went on to study botany at the University of Chicago and earn a master's degree in Botany from Columbia Univeristy.

Geer also got his love of the arts from his grandfather who used what his money brought back to Indiana from his profits from the California gold rush to build Frankfort's first opera house. During high school and college, Will got his first taste of performing by appearing in student theater.

He began his professional acting career touring in tent shows and on river boats. He worked on several left-oriented documentaries, including narrating Sheldon Dick's Men and Dust, about silicosis among miners.

Geer made his Broadway debut as Pistol in a 1928 production of Much Ado About Nothing. He created the role of Mr. Mister in Marc Blitzstein's The Cradle Will Rock. He appeared in numerous plays and revues throughout the 1940s on Broadway including one-man performances as Walt Whitman and Mark Twain. He was a member of Orson Welles' and John Houseman's Project 891 theatre company.sponsored by the Federal Theatre Project. The story is that he was cast as "Slim" in the Broadway play version of John Steinbeck's "Of Mice and Men" by Steinbeck himself, because he showed up to the audition in bluejeans and Steinbeck thought he looked the part. It is said that Steinbeck was sitting outside the stage door on a chair when he made the decision as Geer filed past him.

From Broadway Greer went on to films and from 1948 to 1951, he appeared in more than a dozen movies, including Winchester '73, Broken Arrow, and Bright Victory.

What might not be know is his personal life and his life-long role as a political agitator and radical.

Always a bit of a rebel with a genuine love of people and the land, Geer hooked up with folksingers Woody Guthrie and Burl Ives during the Depression to travel about and perform, mostly at government work camps. He introduced Woody Guthrie to the People's World and the Daily Worker; Guthrie would go on to write a column for the Daily Worker.

He was an early boyfriend of Harry Hay, an activist and radical who later founded America's first large-scale gay activist organization, the Mattachine Society. Hay joined the cast of the Tony Pastor Theatre. where he met and began a relationship with fellow actor Will Geer, whom Hay credited as his political mentor.

In an interview with Hay late in his life he described Geer, how they met and their relationship. "When I met Will he was the leading man in a show I was cast in called "The Ticket of Leave Man." Will was so wonderful, I used to sit in the wings every night and just moon over his performance. At that time he was one of those sort of ugly men who could be gorgeously sexy."

Geer became a member of the Communist Party of the United States in 1934. It is believed by some that Harry Hay may have influenced Geer to become interested in communism. But Hay in same interview said it was Geer who introduced him to communism. "He was indeed.[who introduced me to communism] He wasn't terribly interested in theory. He didn't know a great deal about Marxism. He was very much caught up in the romanticism of the struggle but was never very strong on theory. I'm the opposite--I have to know everything I'm doing or I have trouble with it. During this time I tried to interest him in my theory of the brotherhood, but he just couldn't see it or understand why."

Hay and Geer participated in a milk strike in Los Angeles, where Hay was first exposed to radical gay activism in the person of "Clarabelle", a drag queen who held court in the Bunker Hill neighborhood, who hid Hay from police. Later that year, Hay and Geer performed in support of the San Francisco General Strike, West Coast waterfront strike lasted 83 days Hay witnessed police firing on demonstrators and this cemented his commitment to social change. Though marred by violence, it was an organizing triumph, one that became a model for future union strikes. Geer became a reader of the West Coast Communist newspaper, the People's World.

Geer was the significant influence in the formation of Hay's early political beliefs and activist passions. Hay realized early on the similarities between an oppressed labor force and its exploitative bosses with that of the gay minority and the restrictive, oppressive society that ruthlessly scapegoated gays.

Continuing his activism, Geer is also credited with introducing Guthrie to Pete Seeger at the 'Grapes of Wrath' benefit he organized in 1940 for migrant farm workers.

In 1951, after appearing in four films that year, Geer because of his fervant, active interest in liberal politics, was brought before the House Un-American Activities Committee for questioning and was ultimately blacklisted for refusing to answer their questions. During the period of being blacklisted in Hollywood, he went on to build the Will Geer Theatricum Botanicum in Topanga, California, with his wife, actress Herta Ware.

He built the Theatrical Botanicum during those hard times not only in order to find an acting haven for himself and but for his many blacklisted friends as well. He not only coached actors but also encouraged outdoor philsophical discussion and, of course, folksinging. He also combined his love of acting and botany at the Theatricum, making sure that every plant mentioned in Shakespeare was grown there.

Still, Geer managed to appear in at least one film during that time, Salt of the Earth, a defiant, incendiary documentary look at a worker's strike led by the wives of abused salt miners in New Mexico that featured a production staff largely comprised of blackballed Hollywood artists.

Other than that, Geer returned to Broadway for work. In the late 1950s and early 1960s he played several seasons at the American Shakespeare Festival in Stratford, Connecticut, where he created a second "Shakespeare Garden" on the theater's grounds. By this time he was also working sporadically on Broadway. Then in 1962 Otto Preminger cast him as a Senate minority leader in Advise and Consent for his first Hollywood film in 11 years.

During the '60s, the 6'2", 230-pound Geer was frequently cast in villainous roles.
He often appeared on television throughout the decade in shows ranging from Gunsmoke to Hawaii 5-0 as well as playing a regular role on the short-lived series The Young Rebels (1970-1971). His became best known for his last role of his six-decade career, that was Zebulon (Zeb) Walton, aka Grandpa in the long-running television series "The Waltons" that began in 1972.


He was a key member of The Waltons from the pilot special through his death. His was among the show's most popular characters and he is said to have patterned Grandpa Walton after producer/creator Earl Hamner's book character, himself, and his own grandfather, a successful sourdough during the California goldrush who sported a mustache and white hair similar to Geer's own.

Even late in life, Geer described himself as a folklorist. Actress Helen Hayes wryly described him once as "the world's oldest hippie."

Geer maintained a vacation home on the East Coast, called Geer-Gore Gardens, in Nichols, Connecticut. It was created after his Theatricum Botanicum. He visited often and attended the local Fourth of July fireworks celebrations, sometimes wearing a black top hat or straw hat and always his trademark denim overalls with only one suspender hooked.

He and his wife Herta Ware, eventually divorced, but remained close throughout the rest of their lives. They had three children, Kate, Thad and Ellen Geer. Ellen following in her parents footsteps of acting.

Geer passed away on April 22, 1978, of respiratory failure. His family gathered at his bedside and sang Guthrie's "This Land Is Your Land" and recited poems by Robert Frost. He was cremated and his ashes were buried at the Theatricum Botanicum in the "Shakespeare Garden" in Topanga Canyon, near Santa Monica, California.


Dying shortly after completing the sixth season of The Waltons, the death of his character was written into the show's script as well.

81 comments:

prairiegirl said...

Wow. I never knew all of that about Will Geer. I only knew him as Grandpa Walton although I think I had read somewhere that he was gay. I love how that Harry Hay described his feelings towards Will Geer, very romantic.

Interesting how this news about Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie is breaking out and People.com is stuck on old stories. People really isn't a "story breaking" type of magazine, though, is it? They're more of a "story releasing" magazine, releasing a story as the involved parties see fit. In some regards, even the Natl Enquirer has it over People.

I agree in part about what you said regarding that video, Special. But you have to admit, ol' Sophia rattled off her list in very fine, quick fashion. Austin might be like me on a question like that. I can't think quickly off the top of my head. I'll walk away and 1/2 hr later, say "Oh yeah!! Now I know, now I know! Here's some more answers!" lol.

rags said...

Interesting how this news about Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie is breaking out and People.com is stuck on old stories.

"News" source is UK News of the World, not reliable.

Florida Tom said...

Damn old Grandpa has quite a history. I doubt Will Geer really understood what Marxism was all about.

Bradgelina no more. Too bad reeke ended so abruptly. They could have been the new power couple. So glamorius and hip:-) I wonder when we are going to see Jakes new blonde girlfriend.

I cant believe people are taking that Yoga tweet so seriously what a bunch of BS. I was thinking about why Sophin have been putting themselves out there like they did last weekend. My bet is that they feel like OTH is coming to and end and they both will be looking for new jobs soon. Its called networking. I am sure they would both love to pick up a more permanent and high profile gig.

Well hopefully Brad will get back to looking sexy soon. I think Angelina sucked the life out of the man. I think he hooked up with her because he wanted a family. Poor guy got more than that he wound up with an entire nation.

destiny said...

Fascinating Spotlight today. I knew a little about Geer being an activist, etc., but none of the details. I'd sure like to know the story of his marriage. Was he bisexual, or did he go the conventional route and think this was the only way to have a family and/or try to change and compromise himself.

Oh Ted said...

Very beautiful post today - and wonderful and meaningful song. I have just scanned this, and I have to run out for awhile, but I want to come back and read it more thoroughly.

Oh Spesh - you made me blush with yesterday's post and song! lol

Oh Ted said...

What a fascinating and full life Will Geer had - I didn't know he was a botanist. :)

prairiegirl said...

It's not just one source talking about Brangelina. It's a growing list. I think it's true.

You're right, Tom. Brad Pitt has aged about 10 yrs in the past couple of yrs. Right now, he looks like all he lives under a bridge.

I'm not sure about the yoga thing. This latest one sounds authentic, though. It's just from some Joe Bloe guy; I don't know how long he's had his twitter account or anything.

It could be that yoga is something Jake has caught onto. Alot of people love it. It's very good for stretching out your muscles and keeping limber. I just have to wonder why we haven't had any pap pictures of him emerging from his yoga gym? We had one of Reeke, you know the infamous ones with the yoga mats? lol.

I also would question the needed ego to do yoga shirtless. This is the second twitter we've had of him doing yoga shirtless. The fact that there was another similar tweet another month or so ago is making me think that it could be true.

But two days in a row at the yoga gym? I don't know about that. These came two days in a row, the first one coming the same day as the Haiti telethon. That one doesn't sound too swift if that one is true. Doesn't sound too cool to be yoga'ing if all your other colleagues are helping out at the telethon.

I would rather think he had to family sit not do yoga instead of being able to help out at the telethon.

This is why I really don't like tweets. They're so unreliable. You have to wait and see if you get alot of other similar ones placing the person in the same area, etc. You have to look at the length of time a person has had the account and decide if they look/sound reliable. There's just so much that goes into trying to take into account if the tweet is true or not. I want a picture and I want details! lol.

Now watch. Just because I go and give an editorial, I will be labeled a twitter hater again and bashed and cursed at and burned at the stake.

JJ said...

It's not just one source talking about Brangelina. It's a growing list.

News of the World is the only source.
Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie are not splitting up, their rep exclusively tells JustJared.com. Rumors of a breakup are “total b.s.,” says the rep.

prairiegirl said...

Yeah, and we know what happens after there's the obligatory initial denial, don't we?

Sorry, I think there's truth to it.

prairiegirl said...

There's too much smoke over this flame, that's why I think it's true. And yeah, maybe it might not happen right away, but I say there is no joy in Brangelina mudville.

JJ said...

Nothingh is forever, but according to tabloids, Brad and Angelina Jolie broke up at least 25 times.

prairiegirl said...

True, I am reading the same stuff you are, JJ.

You don't buy the story. I think there's something there.

Let's drop it. It's called a standstill.

Destiny, I was wondering the same thing you were. Did Will Geer have any lovers on the side, I wonder? Or I wonder what happened with him and Harry Hay? Was there anyone else after Harry Hay? What a name - Harry Hay.

destiny said...

I saw a play about Harry Hay and some of the other founders of the Mattachine Society last year called The Tempramentals. Nothing about Geer in it.

And that sure was some name. What may be cute in a baby isn't always so cute in an adult.

vid said...

Austin on conservation: "....and I never turn lights on.."

Well that explains the godawful shoes.

Special K said...

Everything I read about Will Geer spoke more about him being bisexual, Destiny. BTW - Sorry about the Jets.

The yoga thing, I can see Jake getting into for a lot of reasons, both mind and body.

He may also be using it to get prepared for Source Code where he's going to be pretty physical.

What I meant PG, is that Sophia was definitely prepared with answers for things on the red carpet, then again she was the Tournament of Roses Queen once so she has that pagenty kind of experience. Austin just reminds me of most people if they got asked that question be it on the street or the red carpet, trying to think and come up with something to say at same time.

leaf said...

I didn't know he was a botanist.

There's a cricket beetle called a gyllenhaal named after one of Jake's ancestors who was a bug expert. I've seen pics of it..it's "pretty" I guess if you're into that sort of thing. Who knows, maybe Geer's botany crossed paths with gyllenhaals bug at one time or another.

destiny said...

Thanks Special. It was amazing the Jets got so far this year, but it would have been nice to see them in the Super Bowl.

Scarab Beetle said...

I've seen pics of it [the Gyllenhaal beetle]..it's "pretty" I guess if you're into that sort of thing. Who knows, maybe Geer's botany crossed paths with gyllenhaals bug at one time or another.

Of course we're pretty, whaddaya crazy'r sumthin'? ;)

Thanks, Leaf! :)

prairiegirl said...

Sounds like yoga is something you do alot more frequently than, say, aerobics. And actually it also makes sense if he's gotten into yoga because his body is reflecting it.

He's lost his chest and his legs & hips have totally gotten thin. Look at Sting. Sting is totally into yoga and that guy is lean as turkey bacon. So I can believe it too because that would explain his thinness. At least a good part of it, anyway.

***sad***, though. I don't think I like the idea of Gumby Jake.

prairiegirl said...

Gonna have to start calling him The Rubberband Man. lol.

Heyyyyy!! Awesome news!

Clarity is a definite go for a trip to K.C. over Labor Day. She's going to plan on it and she also says hello to everyone.

Isn't this exciting????

prairiegirl said...

♥♥♥


Cool!!!!!!! I just learned how to do that!!! Isn't that neat?

lol, I had to try it on here. First time I tried it.
;D

Special K said...

Don't know if Austin does yoga, but in some interview I read a few years ago I thought he mentioned his mom did. It's good for you core which would be good thing for water skiing.

Here in Boston they've had Doggie Yoga for you and your dog. Atti looks already pretty relaxed and centered.

Yogi said...

Atti does the Sleeping Dog position really, really well.

buggys said...

The Nettle weevil (Phyllobius pomaceus Gyllenhal*) solo and umm playing well with others.

*true to form, they misspelled the name

Atti Yoga Master said...

Atti does the Sleeping Dog position really, really well.

LOL!

Boo said...

I do it better.

bad bad bad said...

^^sorry couldn't help it!

ay said...

Bad fan!

h said...

silly frau

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h said...

rude frau

prairiegirl said...

Awwww, poor Boo.

That was a pretty good one. lol

Page Six said...

Gerard Butler guilty of forgetting

There are so many pretty faces in Hollywood, it's impossible to remember them all -- especially if you are Gerard Butler. The handsome Scot was dumbfounded when approached by "One Tree Hill" actress Sophia Bush at Ago in LA the other night. "They had previously met, but Gerard seemed to have no idea who she was," a spy said. "He looked puzzled, and then said: 'Oh yes, you look completely different from when I last saw you. Have you changed your hair?' " She hasn't.

Florida Tom said...

m I hope you have a good day at work today. Hopefully everything will be ok as far as your job goes. Sorry about your friend.

While I have been down in Fla I have been looking for a job so that I could move down. Not happening. Things are really bad as far as jobs. The unemployment rate in Fla is around 12% and where I live is over 12%. So things are still tough everywhere.

I think Sophia is doing some pretty heavy networking. She sounds like a very ambitious girl. Good for her. She is approaching an age where she needs to get a break so that people do know her when they meet her the second time. Also maybe she likes Gerard. He is pretty hot:-)

If people think Sophin is real and so in love I would think at this point Sophia and Austin would be living together. If so how in the world did Sophia who probably spent half of the day getting ready for the two events last weekend let Austin out of the house
not looking his HW elite best.

not bad said...

'Oh yes, you look completely different from when I last saw you. Have you changed your hair?'

LOL but at least the hair excuse was a decent attempt to save face, better than "Did you get Botoxed?" or ask if she had implants put in since then because her breasts look bigger.

foot in mouth said...

Or compliment her on losing almost all of the baby weight.

whoa said...

umm playing well with others

Wow that's a pretty long and hefty, and flexible! thing there considering the overall body size of the beetle. That is if I'm seeing what I think I'm seeing, which yea....no I don't think that's a stem or a leaf, it's definitely..yeah. I think for my next life I'm gonna ask to come back as a beetle.

Ted said...

Bitch-Back! Jake and Reese Had a Believer!

Dear Ted:
I'm sorry to burst your cynical bubble—I work in a tiny cafe in London far, far away from the glare of the paps, and Jake and Reese used to come in frequently with her children. They were an extremely affectionate and obviously in love couple. What would be the point of such displays and spending weeks in another country together if their relationship wasn't genuine? Also, he is hot stuff! Aye Papi!
—X

Dear Shabby Sherlock:
You might want to get a new magnifying glass because you're missing what's right in front of your eyes: nothing. So, what would be the point of America's sweetheart and one of Hollywood's sexiest young studs coupling up? Oh, I don't know...movies to sell with their mush?

Dear Ted:
I can't get through a day without you—I worry when I haven't seen you by lunch. I have a Blind Vice guess I'm about a million years late on: Are Judas Jack-Off and Dashed Dingle-Dream Chad Michael Murry and Sophia Bush? And how would anyone ever know they are correct? You can't just come out and say so?
—Cara

Dear Gender Confused:
For Sophia Bush to be Dashed Dingle-Dream, Judas' tossed to the side ex-boyfriend, she would have to be packing some heat...if you know what I mean. If sexy Sophia had the, um, "equipment," to be anyone's ex-boyfriend that would be quite the Blind Vice in itself!

Dear Ted:
Is Toothy's BF Gray Goose Josh Duhamel?
—Sarah

Dear Fergie:
Nope. I'd worry more about strippers than about Mr. Tile.

Dear Ted:
This blind item by Gossip Boy really got the gears in my mind turning: "And this last one I saw with my own two eyes. Which gossip columnist actually gets paid by some of the celebs he writes about to drop their names in any way? They actually help him come up with the stories!!!" It's not Perez Hilton. You are the suspected gossip columnist. As much as I don't want to believe this, I need to hear it from you, is it true? Are you on certain stars' payrolls?
—J

Dear Make Me Laugh:
Tell the idiot who started this that Margo Casablanca wants only fresh baked chickens from Gelson's every day—delivered straight to her new Prada bed set—now that we have all this new money! And, darling, people might pay me not to write about them (that I could almost buy), but not vice versa.

The Awful Truth

destiny said...

I wouldn't be surprised if that was JJ. There are some people he seems to write about almost every day for no reason. Jennifer Garner.

BF said...

Jan 15: "Austin would sooner marry his BF Jake Gyllenhaal..."

Jan 25: "Toothy's BF Gray Goose..."

:)

destiny said...

Good catch BF.

And of course we have the Sophia mention in the previous letter, which ties back to the same thing.

Florida Tom said...

Sorry about your Jets Destiny. The future is looking bright for them.

Austin and Sophia said...

I haven´t seen thos pictures before:

Sophia and Austin

and

Sophia and Austin 2

Nie how she puts her hand over his...just like "good ol` friends"...

^^^ said...

Poor passingby. LOL

Austin Nichols said...

Woo hoo, I'm number 1,988 on IMDB's Star Meter, up from 2,164 the week before! "Dating" Sophia is going to make me a star, I tell you.

Sophin forever!!!

bearding said...

Whatever - the message is loud and clear - it is obviously Austins turn now.....

PDA said...

Milo Ventimiglia is holding Sophia's hand in this pic and she is holding Lee very close to her body in this pic. Does it mean she dated or "dated" them too?

lol said...

'To be honest, I'm here to drink the free tequila?' is quite a message!

they are so cute and happy together! said...

Sorry, Sophia is dating this guy!

they are so cute and happy together! said...

Sorry, wrong guy! Sophia is dating this guy!

Cute girls together said...

Wrong again, she's dating this cute blonde girl

mmmm said...

Get a room girls!

lol said...

Smelling salts for passingby!

best of friends said...

January 2009:

Sophia said: "...We're having a great time. We have such great guest stars on our show right now—Austin Nichols is one of my dearest friends. We actually went on, like, four dates after I split up from you know who, years and years ago, and we've been, like, the best of friends ever since. We're a big family at this point."

Eonline

wake up said...

you really think they tried to convince people they are just " best friend" last week end?

Special K said...

Why does it looks like Austin really isn't used to touching women off screen and not blocked in these picture. What I am trying to say is that his hand seems heavy and out of place because is used to a different body type that fits under his hand.

And honey please, I'm sorry but the way she has her hand on top of his, how passive aggressive is that. Her hand is not resting on top of his, but keeping his hand there until the pictures are over.

destiny said...

I think the point of all the pictures and posts is that they are not a real couple.

Austin has always been a touchy-feely kind of guy with everyone but Jake (very telling), and I guess the same is true of Sophia.

I do think he is bearding, but maybe Austin is trying to do it in a way that he thinks he can wiggle out of with BT???

Doesn't make it any less homophobic and spineless.

prairiegirl said...

I would agree on the touchy feely trait, Destiny.

Look at Austin with all his fans in Wilmington, overseas, etc. He's always right up against them, arms around them, etc.

Haven't ever seen him touch Jake. It's been the other way around.
I.E. the lean. lol. Awwww, the lean.

Florida Tom said...

Those pictures dont convince me of anything. Two friends out together trying to show their faces at HW events. It sure doesnt look like they are ready to jump each other.
Two high school friends at the prom.

prairiegirl said...

I don't think Ted is necessarily saying that Shabby Sherlock saw what they're saying they saw.

I think that question is made up by whoever sent it in. What a laugh. Some fans just can't seem to accept that Reeke was fake.

Gray Goose. So does Austin have some gray hair? Or is he saying something else?

Webster's New Dictionary:

gray, grey a. between black and white in color, as ashes or lead; clouded; dismal; turning white; aged. n. gray color; gray horse

Maggie and Ramona said...

Actress Maggie Gyllenhaal, 32, and her adorable 3-year-old daughter Ramona were spotted together at the Melrose Flea Market in Hollywood on Sunday (January 24).

The proud mom sat casually on the ground while her daughter danced around her, wearing some very sweet and sparkly pink shoes. What a cutie!

Maggie, whose latest film Crazy Heart was nominated for a SAG Award, recently chatted with USA Today about balancing her life as an actress and a mom:

Being a mother forces me to be so responsible. I'm very protective, and I try to keep (Ramona) out of this Hollywood stuff. But I make mistakes. I have that tug of wanting things that feel good to me and trying to figure out in what ways I have to sacrifice and what ways she has to sacrifice. I haven't been perfect at that.

Ramona's father is Maggie's husband, Peter Saarsgard.

Maggie Gyllenhaal's Flea Market Sit-In

prairiegirl said...

That first picture looks kind of funny. Kind of disproportionate.

But if real, you're right, Tom. Looks exactly like a prom picture.

Awwwwwwwww.

Austin not graying said...

Grey Goose a brand of vodka.

Austin Nichols is a company that produces several alcoholic beverages such as wild turkey bourbon.

prairiegirl said...

Right. So how come in this question Gray Goose is spelled g-r-a-y? Or is just a typo by the blogger, lol?

destiny said...

GG is definitely a reference to the vodka, but I think you're right PG about what the word means,which I never thought about. There is also a third meaning, because the name is also supposed to refer to the fact Austin will have gray hair before Toothy comes our.

You're dead on Tom about looking like prom pictures--and the prom pictures of a couple of kids who couldn't find a real date.

destiny said...

our=out.

That description of Maggie and Ramona is so sweet. It is also another example of how Maggie, who values her privacy, can't help showing off her daugher and how much she loves her and is proud of her, and how much a part of her life she is. It is what all normal parents do with their children.

Which Way is it said...

I think the point of all the pictures and posts is that they are not a real couple.

I would agree on the touchy feely trait, Destiny.

Those pictures dont convince me of anything. Two friends out together trying to show their faces at HW events. It sure doesnt look like they are ready to jump each other.
Two high school friends at the prom.


the 3 of you could witness Austin kiss Sophia like he's trying to taste her tonsils, with a boner, and Sophia grabbing a handful of Austin cheekas. You would still use the same lines "They're just friends".

Is this what you want it to be or can you really see things that clear? Just Saying

destiny said...

Too late Which Way, hardly an original thought you had thereI already said they could do the dirty deed in the middle of downtown Wilmington and I wouldn't buy it.

And you do know that gay men even marry women and have children, don't you. BBM was not just a movie.

bearding said...

The double standard on this site when it comes to Jake and Austin never fails to amaze me.

Sophias and Austins behaviour last weekend was clearly meant to out them as a "couple" - nothing else.

If we get the same pictures of Jake with some woman hell would break lose - but it is Austin, so lets give him a break.

What a bunch of hypocrites....

Which Way is it said...

Too late Which Way, hardly an original thought you had thereI already said they could do the dirty deed in the middle of downtown Wilmington and I wouldn't buy it.

And you do know that gay men even marry women and have children, don't you. BBM was not just a movie.


Okayyy, You Win. lol

I take that as a "This is what you want it to be" reply?

more bbm films said...

some men and women I know thought brokeback mountain was about 2 downlow guys who had sex with women and men. they both did continue to have sexual relationships with women Although they did fall in love. one had sex with different men and different women while married, while the other only had a sexual relationship with one man and the rest were different women when divorced.

destiny said...

Nothing like missing the point of the movie.

destiny said...

By the way, where's that Reeke wedding you were touting when we didn't believe that was real either. And I know PG is waiting on all those pictures of Reese at Maggie's wedding--and I don't mean the consolation pictures on the beach.

lol said...

the 3 of you could witness Austin kiss Sophia like he's trying to taste her tonsils, with a boner, and Sophia grabbing a handful of Austin cheekas. You would still use the same lines "They're just friends".

Poor babblers.

Reeke let them down, terrible disappointment.

Austin and Sophia are even worse, not to mention Sophia grabbing every guy and girl in site.

more bbm films said...

Nothing like missing the point of the movie.

You missed the point of the movie?
I know what the point of the movie was.

Destiny, your dedication and zeal for the righteousness of the gay community is Welcomed and respected, but I think you get bogged down into self righteousness at times with a Every thing gay attitude which can and could be overwhelming.

your double standard towards women having sexual relationship with other women then dating men. you seem to have no answer or problem with them. not once have you called a woman who spoke about having sex with another woman then dating men gay or in the closet, hiding or hurting the gay cause. this is because you and so many others who shout respect and fairness don't even believe that some men could do the same thing. In your eye they are gay, bearding, hiding, in the closet and hurting the gay movement. So it seems that you have no use for the B IN LGBT when it comes to men. i think that is why so many men won't even bother. it's people like you who look right past the female aspect and go right to attacking the male aspect.
Doulbe standard I must say.
You do know this don't you? if you don't, Someone should tell you.

Just as your double standard towards Jake and Austin bearding.
As the poster above has said there is a double standard and your voice Here speaks it. Jake better not, Austin, well we'll let him slide.

lol said...

not once have you called a woman who spoke about having sex with another woman then dating men gay or in the closet, hiding or hurting the gay cause.

Jake and Austin talked about having sex with men?!? LINK PLEASE!

destiny said...

Like LOL said, I'd love to have some of those examples of men who've spoken about dating men and then gone on to date women.

BBM was not about bisexual men. It was about the closeted gay men who felt they had no other way to live than the way the did.

But this is 2010, not 1960.

Jake and Austin are only in the closet when it comes to the general public, they are not in the closet when it comes to family and friends. They are doing ti for one reason: money.

destiny said...

And it probably goes without saying, but I have absolutely no respect for someone who acts just out of the love of money.

no problem here said...

Jake is gay, we have 3 years of bearding as a proof.

more bbm films said...

Jake and Austin are only in the closet when it comes to the general public, they are not in the closet when it comes to family and friends. They are doing ti for one reason: money.

I would like to believe you because you talk as if you know these people personally. As if you know what's really going on in their day to day lives actually. Maybe you are in their inner circle and know these things, but from years of you posting I don't think you do or know what exactly is really happening, just the ususal poster speculation that spills over into your ideas just as mine. The difference is that you have told yourself it's true and get upset over it as if it is.

There is prejudices in the gay community also. Even from the one's who want respect and no pre judgement.

Sorry said...

bi men, celebritys or not (no) this.

should be (Know) this